Transcript: PODCAST INTERVIEW: Being a Complete Angler with Davy Wotton (Pt I)

S5, Ep 150: Being a Complete Angler with Davy Wotton (Pt I)

This episode features an interview with fly fishing legend Davey Watton. We discuss fishing memories, lack of fly fishing shops in the UK, and emphasize lifelong learning. Subscribe and visit www.nor-vice.com for updates.

2023, Marvin S. Cash
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In this episode of the Articulate Fly, our guest is renowned fly fishing legend Davy Wotton. The episode is divided into two parts, with part one being featured in this conversation. Before diving into the interview, some housekeeping items are addressed. Listeners are encouraged to spread the word about the podcast, subscribe, and leave a rating and review. The episode is sponsored by Norvise, the innovative fly tying vice, which is offering a special deal of a 25% coupon code for a future purchase with the purchase of a Norvise gift card worth $250 or more before Christmas Eve. The 2024 show schedule has also been dropped by Tim, so listeners are encouraged to check if the Norvise team will be visiting a town near them. The host then warmly welcomes Davy Wotton to the show, who generously shares almost three hours of his time. Davy begins by recounting his earliest fishing memory from 1955, where he explored the river and ponds near his farm, catching creatures with nets and eventually moving on to fishing with worms and catching various species. He then traces his interest in fly fishing back to an encounter with an old gentleman fishing for trout, which sparked his curiosity and led him to learn how to cast a line and become captivated by the pursuit of fish. Davy shares his experiences fishing in both saltwater and freshwater environments, catching species such as Atlantic cod, whiting, and coarse fish in the UK. In the second part of the episode, Davy reflects on his fishing interests and how his love for fishing goes beyond catching specific types of fish. He shares childhood memories of venturing off on his bike to find fishing spots without his parents' knowledge, enjoying the freedom of exploring rural areas. He then talks about attending a boarding school with vast land holdings that included bodies of water filled with fish, which allowed him to fish whenever he had free time and further developed his skills and knowledge. He mentions Richard Butt, one of the game masters, who noticed his interest and gave him a book on fishing flies that sparked his fascination with fly tying. He describes how old catalogs from the 1800s and early 1900s provided further insight into fly design, and how his education expanded with a book by John Veniard that showcased fishing flies from around the world. Davy then discusses his experience during his late teens, when he became proficient in fly fishing and lived close to a fishing tackle shop. He highlights that at that time, there were no dedicated fly fishing shops in the UK and how the tackle shop provided all types of fishing equipment. Davy recalls tying flies commercially and learning about different types of flies, with wet flies, dry flies, and nymphs being the most popular. He mentions the influence of publications that depicted various nymph patterns and realistic food sources. Davy acknowledges that nowadays, resources like YouTube make it easier for beginners to learn fly fishing, but expresses gratitude for being introduced to the sport by experienced individuals and having access to limited literature at the time. He talks about influential publications such as Trout Flies of Still Water and Trout Fly Recognition by John Goddard, and express his appreciation for older publications for their timeless wisdom. Davy concludes by mentioning that learning the basics of casting and fishing can become a lifelong pursuit. He reflects on the ability to take someone fishing and guarantee that they will catch a fish as long as they can track the indicator. He highlights the abundance of stock trout in the White River, which makes it easier for beginners to catch fish. However, he acknowledges that this may not be the case in other rivers, where it can be more challenging. The host ends the episode by expressing his hope that listeners enjoyed the conversation and encourages them to tell a friend, subscribe, and leave a rating and review. He also wishes everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, and reminds listeners to check out www.nor-vise.com for updates on upcoming shows.

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Chapters

0:00:00 Introduction
0:01:33 Childhood Fishing Memories by the River
0:07:00 Boarding School: A Gateway to Fishing and Self-Education
0:19:06 Practical Application and the Need for Hands-on Experience
0:30:44 The Right Flies and Presentations Crucial for Inducing Fish to Take.
0:41:22 The Skills Required to be a Complete Angler
0:55:16 The Importance of Proper Casting Technique

Long Summary

In this episode of the Articulate Fly, our guest is renowned fly fishing legend Davey Watton. The episode is divided into two parts, with part one being featured in this conversation. Before diving into the interview, some housekeeping items are addressed. Listeners are encouraged to spread the word about the podcast, subscribe, and leave a rating and review. The episode is sponsored by Norvice, the innovative fly tying vice, which is offering a special deal of a 25% coupon code for a future purchase with the purchase of a Norvice gift card worth $250 or more before Christmas Eve. The 2024 show schedule has also been dropped by Tim, so listeners are encouraged to check if the Norvice team will be visiting a town near them.

The host then warmly welcomes Davey Watton to the show, who generously shares almost three hours of his time. Davey begins by recounting his earliest fishing memory from 1955, where he explored the river and ponds near his farm, catching creatures with nets and eventually moving on to fishing with worms and catching various species. He then traces his interest in fly fishing back to an encounter with an old gentleman fishing for trout, which sparked his curiosity and led him to learn how to cast a line and become captivated by the pursuit of fish. Davey shares his experiences fishing in both saltwater and freshwater environments, catching species such as Atlantic cod, whiting, and cork fish in the UK.

In the second part of the episode, the host reflects on their own fishing interests and how their love for fishing goes beyond catching specific types of fish. They share childhood memories of venturing off on their bike to find fishing spots without their parents' knowledge, enjoying the freedom of exploring rural areas. The host then talks about attending a boarding school with vast land holdings that included bodies of water filled with fish, which allowed them to fish whenever they had free time and further developed their skills and knowledge. They mention Richard Butt, one of the game masters, who noticed their interest and gave them a book on fishing flies that sparked their fascination with fly tying. They describe how old catalogs from the 1800s and early 1900s provided further insight into fly design, and how their education expanded with a book by John Vineyard that showcased fishing flies from around the world.

The host then discusses their experience during their late teens, when they became proficient in fly fishing and lived close to a fishing tackle shop. They highlight that at that time, there were no dedicated fly fishing shops in the UK and how the tackle shop provided all types of fishing equipment. The host recalls tying flies commercially and learning about different types of flies, with wet flies, dry flies, and nymphs being the most popular. They mention the influence of publications that depicted various nymph patterns and realistic food sources. The host acknowledges that nowadays, resources like YouTube make it easier for beginners to learn fly fishing, but express gratitude for being introduced to the sport by experienced individuals and having access to limited literature at the time. They talk about influential publications such as Trap Flies of Still Water and Trap Fly Recognition by John Goddard, and express their appreciation for older publications for their timeless wisdom.

The host concludes by mentioning that learning the basics of casting and fishing can become a lifelong pursuit. They reflect on the ability to take someone fishing and guarantee that they will catch a fish as long as they can track the indicator. They highlight the abundance of stock trout in the White River, which makes it easier for beginners to catch fish. However, they acknowledge that this may not be the case in other rivers, where it can be more challenging. The host ends the episode by expressing their hope that listeners enjoyed the conversation and encourages them to tell a friend, subscribe, and leave a rating and review. They also wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, and remind listeners to check out www.nor-vice.com for updates on upcoming shows.

Brief Summary

On this episode of the Articulate Fly, we interview fly fishing legend Davey Watton, who shares his earliest fishing memories and experiences catching various species. We also reflect on our own fishing interests and how we developed our skills and knowledge. We discuss the lack of dedicated fly fishing shops in the UK during our late teens and express gratitude for experienced individuals and limited literature. We conclude by emphasizing the lifelong pursuit of learning casting and fishing, and encourage listeners to subscribe, leave a rating and review, and check out www.nor-vice.com for updates on upcoming shows.

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Introduction

Intro & Outro:
[0:04] Hey folks, it's Marvin Cash, the host of the Articulate Fly.
On this episode, I'm joined by fly fishing legend, Davey Watton.
Davey generously spent almost three hours with me discussing what it means to be a complete angler and how to get there.
This is part one of our conversation and we'll drop part two on the other side of the holidays.
But before we get to the interview, just a couple of housekeeping items.
If you like the podcast, please tell a friend, and please subscribe and leave us a rating and review in the podcatcher of your choice. It really helps us out.
And a shout out to this episode's sponsor. This episode's sponsored by our friends at Norvice.
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And Tim just dropped the 2024 show schedule. Head over to www.nor-vice.com today to see if the Norvice team will be coming to a town near you.
Now, on to our interview.

Marvin:
[1:17] Will Davey welcome to the articulate fly?

Davy:
[1:21] Yes, thank you, Marvin. I'm looking forward to what we're going to talk about.

Marvin:
[1:25] Yeah, absolutely. And we have a tradition on the articulate fly.
We like to ask all of our guests to share their earliest fishing memory.

Childhood Fishing Memories by the River

Davy:
[1:33] Oh, okay. It's as far as that is concerned. Well, that would be in about 1955.
And that was largely brought about because where we lived on the farm, there was the river that run through there, there was some, some ponds in the area as well.
So as far as fishing was concerned with a long line, my first experience really was going to the waters and messing around with nets and catching newts and, you know, various aquatic things there.
And then I got to fishing and mostly I fish at the time with nightcrawlers, worms, you know what I'm saying?
And you go out in the garden and you dig them up, find them where all the livestock had been and stuff in the manure heaps and then go fishing.
And that would result in catching the species of fish that were in that river.
Most rivers over there in the UK, well all of them actually, in fact, are cold water environments.
There really are no warm waters in the UK, England, Ireland, Wales, or Scotland.
And so you catch different species in there.
It could be roach, rudd, bream, carp, whatever the case may be, and trout, of course, because they would all basically live in the same environment, but there may be greater or lesser numbers of those specific species depending on that river.
So yeah, pretty much my earliest fishing memories were about that era, 1955 to 1956.

Marvin:
[3:01] When did you come to the dark side of fly-fishing?

Davy:
[3:05] Okay, well, there used to be a, and I don't remember his name because it's gone back so long, but anyway, there used to be this old fella, he'd come there and he'd fish the river for trout, and he'd fly-fish, obviously, to do that.
And that fascinated me. And I used to watch him, you know, and he kind of talked to me about this, and he'd catch these small browns, you know, about eight or 10 inches and he'd keep them and off he'd go.

[3:33] Anyway, one thing led to the other. Now, that said, I also, at that age, I had a 177 air rifle and I would walk around all the land and I'd shoot different things, to be honest about it.
You know, and he asked me one time, if my memory served me right, I had waxen bird and I don't remember what they were to this day, to be honest.
But nevertheless, I showed him where I shot and he wanted them for the feathers.
That I recall, which he took. Anyway, he was the person that first put a rod in my hand, a fly rod that is, and got me interested in how to cast a line on the water and fly fish, and I'll never forget to this day.
The first trout I caught was an Alexander Wetfly, which was the tail fly of the three flies that he was fishing at that time.

[4:36] And to be honest about it, I guess...

[4:42] Warren fish has always been an attraction to me and the story you know and that really led me into a pursuit that ultimately became a living to be honest about it.
And bear in mind to you know over there in the UK as you are no.
You don't have to travel far to find various types of water you know you can fish the salt water one day and you can go fish a freshwater environment the next day so. So that was no big deal.
So I enjoyed fishing in the ocean as well as I did in freshwater.
So we'd go there and fish at times of year when the Atlantic cod came and touched the shore or whiting or different species of flat fish, whatever they were, place of sandbags and eels and whatever the case may be.
And I also enjoyed very much fishing for cork fish, as they're known, cork fish in the UK.

[5:36] The terminology is that really based on the fact that they're scaled fish.
In other words, like carp, and roach, and bream, fish like that, whereas trout are not really a scaled fish like that.
So that's why they're called coarse fish. And that's a lot of fun too.
So really, to put things into perspective, my interests in fishing, period, were to catch fish, regardless of whether they were game fish you eat trout, salmon or sea trout, freshwater species or saltwater species.
I just love to be by the water fishing.

[6:13] Much to what time is the let's play this way i got my parents help because you know i take off on a bike go somewhere they really didn't know why i went to be honest about it not come out god knows what i was in like where the hell did you been, i know i went fishing well yeah but i guess back then you know.
There really wasn't the concerns about young people going off and getting pulled off and assaulted, particularly in the rural areas where we lived.
And that was also, I guess, part of my upbringing, if that's the way to explain that one, too.

Boarding School: A Gateway to Fishing and Self-Education

[7:00] And then to move on a little bit, my parents decided that I needed a better level of education.
And regular day schools were, I guess in their opinion, somewhat limited.
And so I ended up getting sent to a boarding school where they considered that I should get a better level of education.
Well, I probably did, but more to the point, it was really advantageous to me.
Because this particular school was an old big Victorian school on thousands of acres of land.
And on that land, there was lots of different waters, which contained fish.
And so at every opportunity, when we weren't in classrooms or other aspects of what we had to do, I was allowed to go and do what I wanted to do, which was to go fishing. And I would do that all the time.

[7:52] And it also, you know, build up my levels of skills and expertise in what I was doing.
More to the point, one of the game masters, and I still remember his name, because Richard Butt, his name was, he was from Scotland.
And you know i had this great interest in wildlife nature and fishing and he gave me a book and some flight time product that he's fine.
I don't know. I still have that book which was wc steward.
And that's got me interested in flying flies and that's.
Moved on from there, so a number of the members of staff that also hunt bee, and ultimately what would happen, they'd go out on their hunts and they'd come back with whatever it was, pheasants and partridges, they'd give them to me.
Guess why they did? Because they wanted me to pluck the birds for them to eat.
That's fine. I ended up with a lot of feather, which of course otherwise at that time in the early 60s, I would not have got, and that was fine.
But I was all part of my self-education process, let's put it like that.
Then when you read this book on the techniques of tying.

[9:13] By today's, shall we say, illustrations and this, that, and the other, they weren't always easy to understand because the terminology, well, you apply the legs to the flight. What the hell is that?
Well, legs in old terminology was a hackle. You know, there's terminology like that, that at that time, you didn't really get exactly what it was.
But if you looked at the illustration of the fly, you could figure it out.
And of course, a lot of the very old catalogs of the 1800s and early 1900s had illustrations in there of those flies.
They weren't pictures, of course. They were actually paintings of those flies on that list and the other. And then I got a book, which really furthered my education and knowledge by John Vineyard.

[10:10] It really described a lot of fires of universal news, whether they were from New Zealand, Australia, America, and it really brought my outlook as far as what was going on around the world as far as the artificial fire was concerned, albeit a lot of material I no way could get at that particular time in my life because there was no way to get it.
Obviously I did as years went by, but nevertheless, it opened up a whole new outlook for me as as far as fly fishing and the relationship of fishing flies and catching fish, primarily trout, of course, not always, but primarily trout.
And that was just a wonderment to me. And more to the point, I was fascinated by the materials.
Golden pheasant. Where the hell did you find golden pheasant back in them times?
Well, you could, but I didn't know where you could. and all other exotic materials, so to speak, as opposed to the regular live birds that lived in your part of the world, whatever they were, you know?
Of course, don't forget, back in those times, they pretty much just shot whatever it was and they used the feathers.
It didn't matter whether they were songbirds or owls or whatever the case may be.
They were part of the culture, so to speak, of creating artificial flies.
Of course, most of those species now are protected, and like so.

[11:36] Even so, you know, there's still a market for those legally obtained, or if you can get all the museum specimens or something like that, and it gives you legal possession and use of those feathers to tie a lot of those flies, as they originally were, in the, whatever, the 1700s, 1800s, of course, time's moved on now.

[11:56] Show but anyways back you know. I don't remember you know by the time i was in my late teens i got a proficient at times why is pretty damn good.
I'm not only that i live very close to at that time then a fishing tackle show and of course.
In those days there was no such thing as a fly show over there in the UK that there is today but there wasn't then they have to.

[12:25] Provide a fishing equipment, whether you fish with a fly rod, whether you fish for the saltwater species or you fish for coarse fish.
So there was a whole big variable as far as the equipment that they sold.
But this one particular place, it did sell flies.
And they were the first place that bought flies from me and not only that, they also had a limit of fly time material which come from the company E-Venue, which was the largest supply of fly time material in the UK and still is, incidentally.
And so that obviously fed my abilities to buy more flies because I could get these materials that otherwise weren't indigenous to the UK, so to speak.
Yeah once i started to learn how to fly efficiently.
I ended up as i just said you know time is more commercially.
I need to stop being the case you learn a lot more skill in time and more to the point different flies i will tell you though interesting enough back in the early days.
The vast majority of flies that i tried commercially what traditional wet fries and dry fries.
Nymphs i got time at a very limited market so to speak that dramatically change.

[13:51] I know it's not so much for the river i'm more so for the still water and still ordering. Angling over there is big, big business.
And that became more prevalent. Surprised the demand for flies for still water angling, albeit they still lose, they call them lures though.
You call them streamers. They have the same thing. You know what I'm saying?
And it's still a lot of traditional wet flies, but nymphs became more in fashion, particularly those that represent your Karameets, which are a significant food base in still waters.
And still water coronaviruses are large.
They're not like little micro things you get on the river.
So there was that. And then a lot of publications started coming into at that time, you know, certainly in the late 60s and into the 70s.
And that depicted more the use of nymph patterns, or flies are somewhere at a caricature representation of food sources, as opposed to flights of fancy.
Let's put it like that. And so ultimately all of that increased my knowledge and skill levels because I was fortunate enough to start at the time when, to be honest about it, what had took place for about the last 50 or a hundred years was still common practice.
So I, my introduction into the world of fly fishing.

[15:17] Both by the means and methods of and then but also by showing the greater knowledge of.
I just realized that induce fish to take them.
And so i was there at a time when i was able to download get on board as everything started changing where is the day if somebody takes up fly fishing today.
I, I can only imagine if not being possible for them to backtrack on what took place in the last, whatever, 50, 60, 70 years, it's, it's more what they say today, which as you well know, is extremely prevalent so far as what they can look at on YouTube and various things like that. You follow what I'm saying?

Marvin:
[16:06] Yeah. I mean, you gotta make a, you gotta have a lot of effort to basically go find the books like Vince marinara books and even stuff way older than that, to, uh, kind of, you know, to your point, you kind of were brought up kind of at the tail end of a very classical period of fly fishing, right?

Davy:
[16:21] Yes, that's right. That's exactly right. Because the way I was introduced, inducted to it or whatever, which way you want to look at it was largely by persons that had been fly fishing for 30, 40, 50 years before.
So they were still somewhat engrossed in what their forefathers had shown them, or whatever the case may be.
And literature back then was somewhat limited compared to today.
I mean, the amount of books that are published on blackfish is just unbelievable.
It really, really is. But then back in them times, that was not the case.
I would say that the two people that really influenced a greater understanding of trap behavior, the insects that they fed on, and as far as artificial flies were concerned, most certainly John Goddard was one of those.
The two publications that he wrote, you know, Trap Flies of Still Water and Trap Fly Recognition, you, In the modern times there was nothing that can compete with that but that said you know there are people that have written publications back in the eighteen hundred's, that even today i started enjoying to read those because they make sense in support.

[17:46] What they observed and how they assumed show me say an artificial should be credited to the same fish which of course they did and still do today.
So I find that fascinating, that kind of history, and of course, I build up a huge collection of publications that go back to those times, and it just always fascinates me sometimes.
I've got an incredible memory about what I've read in a book, and if you said to me, where would I find that, I know exactly which book to go to get that.
Let's put it to you like that. So but it still fascinates me and intrigues me to read a lot of that literature of how those individuals thought about what they do and ultimately.
It was down to one thing which always maintain is significantly important and one of the reasons to be a really good fly fisherman.
I noticed to be a very observant person in other words you observed what's going around. in front of you.
And that in itself will give you a fundamental background of knowledge that otherwise you wouldn't get.
You can read books, then you can look at DVDs or YouTube or whatever.

Practical Application and the Need for Hands-on Experience

[19:06] That will give you knowledge, but it doesn't give you the necessary practical application.
So, you know, somebody looks, oh yeah, that's how you cast.
They go out the yard, pick up a fly rod and attempt to try and do what they saw on the DVD.
Well, you know, journey, that don't happen, right?

[19:26] It's largely the chemistry of fishing, you know, just because you say, oh yeah, you know, well, that's the blowing door.
That's the medium or Danica or some other make fly or whatever.
Oh yeah. Yeah. You know, and you've got to have a great understanding of.
We're talking about this no more to go on but the bottom line is that i would say my son is that the people that.
Yes that those publications what also very observant individuals.
For one reason or another i don't necessarily agree with all that i read what's the new individuals have said.
But that's how they sell it and not that's really what matters.
And then we can always build up on what it was that they said, which may be good, bad or indifferent. This depends, you know what I'm saying?

Marvin:
[20:15] Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting too, right? Because that was a time when, you know, there were a lot fewer distractions, right?
And people could be much more thoughtful and very, very deliberate, which I think is a skill that is harder and harder to practice.
I'm kind of in the modern age where there's so many things coming at you all the time and the return time on ideas and getting stuff out is so fast.

Davy:
[20:38] Yeah i think you're absolutely right because you know.
The fly fisherman that i knew in my early days as you will know did not have that but certainly there was.
Publications you know of their new guy like the travel salmon and.
In later years, magazines like Trout Fisherman, which I wrote for for many years, or Salmon Trout and Sea Trout, and of course that made, shall we say, knowledge more available to the majority. Otherwise, they wouldn't have got that.
But that said, I still believe, despite that, that a person that spends time on the water develops ultimately a greater fundamental understanding of what's going on.
I'm of course assuming they've got relevant skills which i'm going to talk about later that allow them to put that into practice and.
That's a fascinating thing about why fishing.

[21:37] Any note about that is question you know.
I will tell you this. As much as I believe and enjoy the actual physical act of casting a fly line and catching fish, I still look at the trout as a species of fish.
I would derive as much enjoyment if I was casting a spin crankbait out there on the lake and catching a big bass.
It doesn't matter to me how you pursue the fish that you want to catch, if that's the way to explain it to you.
So, I never believe, as some individuals do, that people that fly fish should be put on a precedent above all others. That's just a nonsense way of thinking.
A fish is a fish. It doesn't matter whether it's a carp, it's a trout, it's a roach, it's a tench, it's a green, whatever it is, it's a fish and you have to learn the skills how to catch it. So, don't in any way.

[22:34] You know, be shall we say. We must write what I put it thinking you're a better person just because you play fish because it requires skill, of course.
But become a skillful angler in any species, it requires skill in the story.
The top bass fishermen in the world are extremely skillful anglers.
They didn't get there by chuck and chance.
If they learned a lot more about the species they pursue and how to fish for it. Likewise, guys, fish in the soul, whatever it be, they develop levels of skill that allow them to be successful.
And so, like I said, I've never been of a mind that, well, just because you try to fish a trout, you're a better person than others that fish other.
It doesn't matter to me whether a guy here in the White River wants to go chuck a spinner or fish a bait, whatever the case may be.
He's encouraged to do that. That's his enjoyment. He's, so what?
You know, as long as he ultimately, shall we say, respects the core he pursues, I'm fine with that.
I don't believe that, you know, everything should be sacred so far as fly fishing is concerned with one reservation, which is that most certainly there needs to be in certain water environments, regulations that, shall we say.

[23:59] I love those fish to maintain survival in those rivers in other words.
I would suggest for a moment that you can just go there and do what you want to hold the fish out that makes no sense and regulations are put into effect.
That means i'm message of how you can fish those waterways and obviously where is your concern to some extent.
And it gives the fish a certain degree of protection, shall we say, whereas if everybody went out there and started chucking worms and this, that, and the other, it would take no time before they cleaned them out.
So I fully respect that, that if there is a requirement of regulations to protect those species or whatever, or the catch and release, I'm absolutely fine with that because there's Plenty of other places you can go to if you want to go and catch and kill fish.
In the story. No, I'm saying, yeah, absolutely.

Marvin:
[24:56] I do.

Davy:
[24:57] Yeah. And it's just a fly fishing. Looking in that respect.
And as I've already said, you know, high skilled anglers that fish were in species, I've got developed high level skills to be successful.
And fly fishing does too.
You know, you're not going to be a successful angler just by ultimately, the, you know, chuck and chance it and this, that, and the other.
So, you know, you asked me, you know, how do I believe anglers understand trout behavior across the seasons?
Well, once again, I'll go back to the single word of observation.
Certainly, you know, most river systems, you can get the information that relates to a given time of the year to prevent relevant species, and what are the more likely flies to use to catch those fish?

[25:52] There's two ways to look at that.

[25:56] You know they will agree was a very close friend of mine since ages and we spend a lot of time fishing together.
And you know i'm very close on a personal level as well we had many many long discussions about different aspects related to.
Fly fishing so to speak and you're interested in.
Um, a great deal was obviously myself coming from UK and him knowing full well that I had a lot of experience of this means medicines and techniques in the past, which to some extent he didn't quite understand, you know, no, don't get me wrong because they were like my opinion and I fish with a lot of pretty well-known people.
He was, uh, in my opinion, overall the most skillful fly fisherman here, most certainly in America, I ever known.
And he had a thorough understanding of everything that related to trout fly fishing, which was nothing so much to do with the physical act of the casting, chuck the fly out, was much more than that.
Once again observation he knew exactly what behavior was in other words on the givens prevailing conditions what those fish would like to do.
Based on the seasons in here whatever it be the hatches the water temperature.

[27:25] The best means and methods of presentation of given flight use that particular time.
I noticed something you require overtime you can read it and look at it but you got to be on the water to really get that far off when the metal understanding.
What is going on and what you need to do to achieve success to do that.
And so. to answer the question.

[27:54] Do i believe that the majority of anglers understand drop behavior.
The answer is no to be honest about it.
I would i would have a guest to say this and this is based on obviously my expenses with guiding thousands of anglers.
There are very few that if you take them out on the water when you say to them okay now what is your best options and what is it you need to do to set yourself up to enable you to catch the fish.
Very few of them would have you give your what i would consider to be a positive answer. They almost said you would say yeah well you know i'm going to stick a bugger on i'm gonna put indicator on and yellow.
Where do you go from there and so i don't really.
Give the truth of matter be known and that's okay they're paying you for your skill and advice to enable them to do what you want them to do so they can catch fish.
You follow what i'm trying to say so and then you also do the aspects of.
From the relative skills related to that, which I'll talk about a little later on.

[29:12] So you also asked me, do I believe that anglers understand the food behavior across the seasons and this, that, and the other?
Well, once again, that's a process of, A, spending time on the water and observation.
So, you know, if certain insects are abundant at that time When you see fish visually feeding on how you are able to identify them and so i will argue what it don't really matter if i check out this site now i probably catch a fish.
What is that develop a fundamental understanding of.

[29:48] Betterment of knowledge and skills no of course it does not.
You are the only have to suffer the consequences of catching not catching fish at times if you want to learn more skills.
And, you know, interesting enough, and I always tell the guys this, if you spent all day on the river and you didn't catch a damn fish, you learned a lesson, which is you didn't do nothing right.
Okay. Okay.

Marvin:
[30:17] Yep.

Davy:
[30:17] So what is it that you needed to do to correct that problem?
Well, it's very simple answer.
Observation. What is going on out there? And he acquired skills to enable you to fish the means and methods of flies and presentations relative at that prevailing time to induce those fish to take your flies.

The Right Flies and Presentations Crucial for Inducing Fish to Take.

[30:44] Now that said...

[30:46] If i was to give any person a list of say ten flies i know having fish all around the world but one of those flies will i going to you, catch a trail in any water environment that.
They live in it don't matter whether it's a river weather is upon where is a massive reservoir natural local lake. I know we didn't know ten flies the odds are a few percent knows in the manner which is.
Show me say acceptable to the trout in those waters your catch and fish.
No you may not catch a lot of them where is the message may of course dramatically increase the numbers of fish you catch.

[31:32] On the other hand, if you don't fish those flies in the right manner that they should be fished, generally, you might not catch nothing.
So it's not a question of you not using the right flies, it amounts to more or less that what you're doing is not presenting those particular flies to the fish in an appropriate manner to induce a take.
Now, let me give an example of something, and I use this one as a, shall we say, let's just say something I always ask people.
Okay, there's two anglers and they're fishing.
Well, Bill Smith, he knows nothing more than chucking out an olive woolly bugger 50 yards downstream, there's whoever, Ted.

[32:27] He's an angler that likes to fish with imitative patterns.
So he's going to fish possibly a hedge deer or a pheasant tail or in a nymph mode.
Okay, so the guy upstream there starts whacking fish out one or the other on the woolly bugger because Because that's all he knows what to do.

[32:50] Any other guy downstream catches maybe half the number of fish that the guy with the woolly bugger upstream does.
So the question i would ask my guys is well who do you consider to be the better angler how are you basing your.
Answer to that is it based on the fact that he caught more fish or is it based on the fact that that angler downstream fish with more skill even though he caught less fish which one to you would matter oh well you know it'll be the guy catching more fish that's generally their favorite answer okay but we also know that at times that situation go can be in the opposite.
In other words, the guy fishing a wooded boat gets next to nothing, whereas the guy downstream fishing nymphs catches more.
But it is an interesting answer you get. You know, how does the average angler answer that question?
Is it based on numbers of fish or is it based on the fact that he didn't catch as many fish?
Who would bet? He fished with a lot more skill and understanding of what he was doing, okay?

Marvin:
[34:01] Yeah.

Davy:
[34:01] So I always find that interesting to find the answer that I get given to that one.

Marvin:
[34:06] Yeah, because it's kind of funny, right? Because for me, you know, I kind of focus on kind of what I call, and I mean, everybody's goal can be different, right? But I always try.
Yeah, I try to focus on what I call being a complete angler, right?
So I would, you know, I look at it's kind of an interesting thing, right?
We have a lot of guys where I live that are really, really good at fishing the South Holston, to your point, but if you take them somewhere else, they're not nearly as effective because what they know how to do is to fish that type of water, that specific piece of water very, very well, but they haven't developed translatable skills.

Davy:
[34:42] Yeah, that's often the case, and I'll tell you why.
Because if you fish the same water on a regular base you develop a similarity with that particular water.
And the habits of the fish in that particular water and generally speaking the majority of means and methods that you will catch those fish.
And you're quite right you know often is the case that they go someplace else what to them is. a standard ingrained knowledge on their own waterway doesn't work.
And once again, it's simply based on the fact that they don't have much more understanding of what they need to do, let's put it to you like that, because every waterway is different to some extent.
Um, that said, as I previously said, you know, I can give you a list of pretty much 10 flies, which I know will work in any trout habitat that exists in the world.
That said, you also have to, again, as I say, be observant because, you know, the predominance of hatches out where you fish, I know you've got a lot of fantastic PMD hatches on that river, right?

[36:02] Well you may not see that on the rivers, there may be other species that exist on those rivers that are more, shall we say, seen on a regular basis by the trout, you know, for example, there may be a lot of stone pine nymphs in that river, we don't have those here in the White River.
You know, there may be in that particular river, very little in the way of crustaceans, i.e.
Sardines or scuds, but there may be a greater predominance of other species, so, So your orientation towards the methods of fishing, to some extent, but not totally, have to be, if you want to be more successful, be related to the behavior of the fish in that river based on the prevailing conditions, and of course, for the most part of it, what do the fish generally see on a regular basis, insofar as their natural food is concerned?
And I'm not suggesting for one moment that just because there's a whole abundance of whatever it is, sardines in that river, that should ultimately be what you should fish to catch your fish.
Of course, it will, but it would also restrict your greater abilities and knowledge and skill to fish other things if you just specifically relate to fishing that way all the time, because that was your comfort zone.
I'm sorry the thing about the fascination of fly fishing.

[37:22] More than anything else is that when you have acquired many many different levels of skills be it for dry fly fishing.
Where have been in fishing weather be fishing emerges weather be fishing softballs weather be fishing. Add traditional way price or streamers whatever it gives you a choice.
I need a good day what is our wanted to catch fish today regardless you know i the numbers fish i catch irrelevant or otherwise.

[37:54] I might choose one day to go out there and just free strikers yeah fine you know i know the odds of catching a lot of fish are against me because that's just not the conditions that are in due to do that but so what.
I enjoyed myself doing it did i learn something from doing it yes of course i did.
If i didn't do i wouldn't know any different right and so what i try to tell people is that you know to board your outlook. On different levels of acquired scale you have to accept is where you ain't gonna catch much.
I'm not suggesting that time you made i may not been doing something wrong just my opinion that time the fish one interested in what you were doing.
You don't necessarily know that cuz the fish can tell you right so.
If you have a day where you don't catch a fish, there are reasons as to why you didn't.
And of course, one of them obviously is the fact that what you were doing was not going to work.
But there may be other reasons for it too, and that's part of the game.
But a really skilled angler, if catching fish is of significant importance to him more than anything else.

[39:08] He's going to have the armory to use different means and methods of skill, i.e.
By the style of supplies he used, the means and methods of presentation, whatever the case may be, to likely induce fish when even under the prevailing conditions, they're going to be tough to catch.
Typically when you get very, very low cold water conditions, that's going to be one of them are, you've got lower DO levels in the water, which, you know, if fish are not comfortable to eat in the first place, it's certain the other.
So you're going to get tough days regardless of what skill levels you've got.
That said, I've always told anglers, you know, that.

[39:48] The fact that you know what to do on this particular water because it produces results for you is not the only answer that you need to have in your head.
You need to go out there on some days and do stuff you never done before and see what happens you might be surprised.
On the other hand, you may say, well, the hell with this, I ain't catching nothing, I ain't doing that again, I'm going back fishing, whatever it is, the woolly bugger. It's a defeatist attitude, right?
So you didn't learn nothing because you went back to your comfort zone.
So you're asking me, you know, what common problems do I see on the water?
And I assume what you're asking me is what do I see anglers doing, which I would consider to be wrong. Is that right?

Marvin:
[40:36] Yeah, I mean, I guess what I kind of think about Davey is kind of if we talk about, you know, how, you know, when I think about it, you know, people think of you as the wet fly guy, but like, as we said, you've done a ton of stuff.
And so, I guess if we come all the way back out of that and we talk about, you know, what do you think is required to be a complete angler, right?
And we've talked a little bit about understanding trout and food behavior, but, you know, it might help for people that are, you know, want to, you know, have a more versatile skill set and be able to catch fish in different places and in varying conditions, you know, in your mind's eye, you know, I know casting is one of those things, but what are the handful of things you think you have to, the skills you have to possess to be considered a complete angler?

The Skills Required to be a Complete Angler

Davy:
[41:22] Well, okay. Well, as you all know, you know, I've won a lot of competitions, stretching by different means or methods that would be necessary in that particular water, be it nymph fishing, dry flow, wet flow, or whatever the case may be.
The first thing I would say is this.
Learn to be accomplished at different given skills, and ultimately, one has to accept that the most effective, there are two effective methods that One should acquire skills and ultimately the first one is in other words presenting the fly on the bed of the river why because for ninety percent of the time that's where the fish are. No.
This is a friend i want to say this ok so do i consider fishing and a new version no.
I'd consider new fishing to fish a fly that in some way represents.

[42:24] Natural food source that's there i don't consider a to be.
Within that list but i know catch fish i'm not arguing about that may exit time i'm not saying that what i'm saying is to become a scope experience in fishing by.
The many different methods that you can apply.
Whether it be with the indicator fishing, whether it's what they now call the Eurostar new fishing techniques, whatever the case may be, none of it become efficient at that.

[42:58] The next thing you're going to deal with is the surface, i.e.
So you're going to be dealing with hatches and you're going to deal with various stages of emergence of specific insects and what the fish are doing as far as taking those. Are they taking them as emerges?
Are they taking those as they're moving up through the water column to the surface?
Are they taking them as emerge dons or are they taking them as spinners?
I mean, you've got a number of different possibilities as to why those fish choose to take that natural insect at a given stage of its life cycle.
And a well-rounded, experienced fly fisherman will know that.
You will be able to look at that fish as seen, surface feeding, and pretty much tell you exactly what they're doing by watching the way that fish rises to that particular insect.
And obviously the species of insect concern gives you that clue.
You get a very different rise form, shall we say, to a caddis, as you would do to say a little tiny midge or a blooming olive or something like that. They're much slower, purposeful rises to those speeches.
So that also gains you knowledge. So what I'm saying here is that.

[44:18] Learn to become a really skillful new fisherman as best as you can because next you're going to be dealing with fishing in the service. I like a sad.

[44:29] Understanding the species that are prevalent at the time will tell you generally how those fish will.
Take that species during the stages of its emergence from.
It's new for puber to the time that is a winged insect and it flies off the water.
Don't forget that they come back to lay their eggs, and therefore they become spinners in the case of mayflies or dead caris or whatever the case may be.
So you must learn those different skills, how to present and choice of right flies to that.
Now, we move on from that. So you want to learn more skills that can catch those fish.

[45:15] If those fish are on or near the bed of the river, is it necessary to fish nymphs?
No, it's not. I'm excluding eggs, because I don't really put those into the category. Let's put it to you like that.
Sandworm worms and stuff like that, yeah, that's fine. But in a lot of cases, most rivers don't have worms that are resembling the artificials that are trapped in.
Let's put it to you like that. But anyway, the next thing I would tell you to do is, you learn to fish, in the case of surface fishing, yes, as I said, you learn to fish at various stages, whether they're the natural insects moving up through the water column, whether in the stages of transition in emergence, whether they're duns or adults, and whether they're spinners.
So you require different flies to do that, obviously, and of course, ultimately, the surface driving on a fish would be a drive-by.
I will tell you this.

[46:18] No more years of experience of watching other anglers in this site to be a really skillful drive fisherman drive fly fisherman. Probably.

[46:28] In most cases requires a lot more skill than most of the other methods of life vision.
And most of that relates to your ability. As a class that's the first thing and second your ability to control a drag free drift and that's not easy for the majority of people to do that.
There are different means and methods of presentations of course we are going about that they could direct upstream it could be slightly across the middle it could be downstream.
More to the point, the means and methods of approach to those presentations is very much based on what you yourself do, i.e. what position are you in?
Are you upstream the fish? Are you whatever the case may be?
You have to be in a physical position to be able to make an efficient, effective presentation of a dry fly without drag to those fish.
And in a lot of cases, when I watch persons do that, they're wrong.
Instantly they make a cast, they get dragged, and there are two reasons.
One is they're in the wrong position to start with, in other words, where they're standing.
And secondly, they don't know how to make the cast, which eliminates drag, at least for a period of time.
That doesn't spook those fish and that requires skill and i would have to say that drive for a fishing.

[47:57] More than anything requires a lot more skilled than most other methods.

[48:03] Mostly because you know when you're new fishing you're essentially fishing a short second particular way to change the date you're fishing a relatively short section of water in other words upstream, across here and downstream.
So if you're fishing short sections of water, where dry fly fishing is concerned, you may have to make significantly longer casts and you may have to control your line to eliminate drag, but at times, significantly long periods of time, more so than you would generally if you were nymph fishing.
So I would tell you that in my opinion, to become I mean, expert dry fly fishermen, you've got to be skillful, a lot of different things, and ultimately your cast and skill is primarily one of those.
The next being your ability to control a drag free drift for effectively a significant period of time.

[48:57] Also more to that, your understanding of the fish, you know, you, you can And figure out if you do it long enough when to make a cast and when not to.
Consistently casting over a fish due to surrogate rise is not the thing to do.
The worst thing that you can do ultimately is wise to fish up.
And if you consistently keep casting that fly over that fish, you will do that.
Generally speaking, if the fish sees your fly presented in a good and proper manner two or three times, and it refuses it, it figured it out. In other words.

[49:36] I don't like the fly and you got a number of choices you change apply you get the fish arrest and you go back to it again.

[49:44] Continue when you can do not fish is actually a big mistake and you see people do that all the time they stand like a heron i call that the heron stance.
And the difference between them and the heron is the heron stands damn still, but the angler moves around and sways his arm around and this, that and the other, right?
And so they put the fish down, and despite the fact that the fish are still visually seen rising, if indeed they are after being lined and splashed, Lord knows how many times, they're never going to catch them, never.
As long as they stand there doing what they're doing, they ain't never going to catch them.
And I go back to the way you said Marvin, that in my opinion, to become a skillful dry fisherman, you have to develop skills that, generally speaking, as a new fisherman, you don't.
Because essentially, as long as you can get your phrase somewhere close or near the bed of the river for a relatively period of time, a short period of time within that drift, the odds are you'll catch fish.
I'm not suggesting for a moment that the fly you use, this, that, and the other, is the issue.
The way you don't, it may well be, because the Saturn flies do work productively well based on the nature of the particular water you're fishing in, whether it's slow-moving water, is it fast rocky, all those require somewhat of a different approach.

[51:13] Essentially, based on how you make your leader tippet sections up and the addition of weight if needed, and the particular flies you use.
But I still go back to say that, generally speaking, within 10 flies, there would be nymphs within those 10 flies that would catch you some fish if you present them in the right way.

Marvin:
[51:33] I understand what you're saying for for dry fly fishing and it's kind of an interesting thing, right?
Because, you know, the first thing you try to do is, you know, move your move the angler to make the cast is effective, potentially effective as possible, right?
But when you start out, you really can't cast well enough that you can move yourself in a position.
And then obviously, when you get really good and your skills are better, you can, you know, fish effectively from the same place with having more difficult casts.
I mean, how does an angler, because, you know, the typical, you know, putting cones out in the yard stuff is not going to help you, solve those dry fly puzzles, whether, you know, you're trying to get most, you know, you want to get most of your line in the lane or how long can you mend?
I mean, what's your suggestion for anglers to be able to solve that problem?

Davy:
[52:26] All right, that's a good question you've asked me. Okay.
There are two aspects to that. You develop that one is casting skill, one is presentation skills. Okay. That's the first thing.
So to develop good casting skills, the first thing is if you go fishing, you do not put a fly on, because ultimately your brain's orientated towards fishing.
And so when I teach people casting techniques and skills, first and foremost, the water is not an issue, I don't need to be on water, I can do that on the grass, whatever, and I watch exactly what they're doing, and what they're doing wrong, and try to correct the problems that they have, and in most cases, there are many of them.
That said, if the person concerned has fished for some considerable time, ultimately they are developing inherent faults for one reason or the other, and they develop muscle memory and it's kind of ingrained in their brain.
It can be impossible for them to get out of that to be honest about it because it's like me saying to you know.

[53:44] Okay if i want you to throw this tennis ball you're gonna pick up all up and try it right.
And if i try to tell you i would need you to do it a different way to improve the distance that you doing yeah you may.
Try to get some knowledge of me as to why I want you to do that but the odds are you'll go back to doing what you did before and that's largely what happens with.
Guys that are developed unfortunately bad in her and folks in their casting school.

[54:15] To be honest about it if the truth be known the overall average scale of classes is is not good by any stretch imagination.
Suddenly they get away with the limited skill that was that they got based on the means and methods that they fish let's put it like that.
But if they're forced to have a need to do.
Show me say cast in a different manner to what is in great trouble in other words you say to god ok you know she fishes right now there forty seven foot.
I need you to make a class i need that flight of the same six feet above that fish.
They probably couldn't do it. If they get it out, they'd do it in such a way as run the fish off.
So first and foremost, I would spend time with them in a non-fishing situation then, let's put it to you like that, regardless of whether it's on the grass or ideally a pond, not moving water, let's put it like that.

The Importance of Proper Casting Technique

[55:16] If you can help them overcome some of those, and I'll tell you one of the biggest faults ultimately, is handcasting.
In other words, for most general trout fishing, you've got three what we call relative positions of flaycasting.
One is wrist, the next one is forearm, the next one is your arm.
In other words, your whole arm is moving.
That is one of the biggest mistakes with general trout flay fishing.
I'm not talking about casting 70, 80, 90 feet in a saltwater environment where you've got a double oar in this side and the other.
General trout fishing does not demand that if you have the fundamental understanding of how to load that rod sufficiently in the back cast. That's it.
So, shall we say.

[56:08] Consensus about that is that the majority of anglers use way too much in other words apple.
And that change to cause the fly line to do things that i didn't you don't want it to do it when you press that currently.
Will you wanna make me know show me say better presentation values and things because.
Initially, how that line lands on that water determines what you can and cannot do with it thereafter.
If you make a bad, sloppy cast on that water, the odds are you're never going to correct to get an effective drift.
If you make a good, instant presentation, it's easier to correct that.
If you make a bad one, the odds are you cannot correct that.
So a lot of that relates to the anglers using too much arm.
In other words, the rod tip is rotated and not tracking in the straight line path as it should.
In other words, it's creating like a semi-arc.
And guess what? The fly line follows suit wherever the rod tip goes, and you're trying to throw the line straight from the back cast, it's nearly hitting the ground behind you, okay? And that's not going to happen.
So that's the first thing. The next thing would be presentation casts.
No one is required good basics fundamentals casting skills.
The odds are for the most part you're not gonna make really good.
Presentation costs.

[57:36] What are the reasons i just said which are you cannot throw the line in a accurate line.

[57:43] Presentation value to start with. Show when it comes to teaching people a lot of what we call presentation cars like slackline cars or cars or different men's and whatever the case may be, do a layer of flies on the top of that driveways instead to be presented in a manner where they are. Show me say.
Acceptable to have the fish see them it don't happen now you get away with that with the cat is like you that you drive a car and say when fish come up welcome.
But that's not the case where you know my friends and a lot of other species concern.

[58:22] Show me a person. that's going to be listening to this program.
If you think you have got bad bouncing skills, whether you admit it or not, here's another matter because the majority of people do.

[58:36] Go and try and get at least some instruction from a casting instructor that knows what he's doing. That's the important thing.
He may or may not be able to help you.
As I've said, if you've developed serious inherent bad thoughts.

[58:56] Which I said have become muscle memory or they're pretty much in your head, it's going to be a tough deal for you to get out of that.
If you're prepared to spend hours and hours out there, you may well do it.
But it will be a tough call to get out of that, that I know.
Ultimately, if anybody is listening to this program, and you're a newbie to fly fishing or interested to do so, go and get good casting instruction before you go on the downside path and develop those bad thoughts.
Because the odds are, if you try to do it yourself, it will never happen.
Granted, there are some individuals that have got natural ability.
And for the most part, most people don't.
And it doesn't matter, you know, what aspect of killer is they want to aspire to.
For many, it's a hard game to get to that higher level.
For others, and I teach shotgun shooting as well, some people have got a natural ability to learn quick and get good quick.
And others, it's just not that core, you know, they enjoy what they do, but they're never going to achieve those high levels of skill.

[1:00:18] So that's what I would tell you about, you know, casting, you know.
You got to learn to be a fundamentally good basic castle with good.
Find a mental skills because if you don't have that it's gonna cost you because there are no circumstances and situations demanding at that time.
What presentations of flies or techniques of fishing that you will not be able to deploy because you don't have those skills.
The easiest I would say probably for the majority obviously you know is first and foremost across and downstream fishing with a streamer or a woolly bugger and that's okay you know because it catches fish and I don't have fun with that at all.
But if that's the way you're gonna pursue your long term shall we say success in fly fishing well that's fine but.
Guess what there's a whole bunch of relative skills and techniques of fishing that you sure are missing out on and they don't work for the most part.
If you learn those skills you would probably enjoy a lot of them a lot more than just doing what you're doing, sucking the flow across the stream and pulling it back.

[1:01:36] Likewise you know when nuke fishing with an indicator is concerned.
It's generally, overall, one of the easiest ways to teach people how to catch fish with a nymph, for obvious reasons, pretty much all they got to do is get it out there on the water, control the line to a certain extent and watch the indicator, and if it goes down, bop, you raise the rod and you hook the fish. That's okay.
It's a basic level of skill that they understand. But learn more advanced skill levels because advanced skill levels will ultimately, I guarantee you, catch you more fish that otherwise you're not going to catch because of the limitations of what you're working with at this present time.

Marvin:
[1:02:24] Yeah. And so, you know, we talk about casting being the foundation, right. And you've got to get the straight line path down and not throw the big arc, right?
And then hopefully, you do that and you're able to make the presentation cast and I guess we kind of put that together with trying to build a better understanding of trout and food behavior.
What else do we kind of need to kind of put in the pot to kind of have this complete angler stew? Is there anything else we need to kind of add?

Davy:
[1:03:00] Yeah, okay.
If i'm initially asked a question by a person that comes to me and says hey dave you know i want to learn how to play fish.
I know the first thing i'm going to tell them fantastic.
Thank you gonna have to learn how to cause because they see people doing it.
And they're in wonderment because they see this line going back and forth, back and forth, you know, which is kind of, if you like the, the magic of perception, you know, what fly fishing is all about is that physical line you see in the water, whereas, you know, Sony that throws a crank or a spin bait, that line goes forward, right?
Generally not back. That said, and so I tell them this, I say, that's fantastic, you know?

[1:03:52] I was asking whether they have a credit and if they don't that's fine I got plenty and then we set them up with a lesson and I can tell pretty quick.
What the likelihood of ability is gonna be.
Buy the man in which they pick up what it is you're trying to teach them so far as a basic simple overhead cast which is. You got twenty footer line in front of you on the ground you can erase the road you can.
Stop the runner at a given position you can allow time for the line to track behind you and before you load the rod and bring it forward did you develop that sense of feeling and or not.
Some people do straight away and other people don't. Well, you know, it's like, well, I can't feel nothing.
Okay, well, you're going to the reason why it's because most times they're not moving that line sufficiently fast enough.
Internet back house to physically feel that road.
I'm the sun degree of pressure both in the back house and the forecast you have to do that since you feel.

[1:05:01] And i was a sense of timing and you can you can come. Convey that to people and they got a place get that basic understanding down.
Carey before you can go any further.
Show example they do well with a twenty feel like okay so let's add another ten foot nine thirty feel like.
In other words you got the broad length which being nine to ten feet but you got say another twenty feet lining which makes thirty foot to the end of the flying line and if you are the nine foot leader on there.
Yes i'm looking at forty four to determination of where you stand to where.
That is on the end of the forty five right so you just extend the line a little more and that requires a little different.
Approach to say twenty three like why could you go to move the line faster you got more wine out there you got a load that rod quicker.
Add another ten foot same thing you have to load that rod much faster than you do with twenty feet or thirty feet and the further that line is extended.
The same thing applies you have to move that well faster because you know physical way to move that line vice versa you have to allow a little more time for that.
Fly line to extend behind you before you come forward.

[1:06:26] I'm ready that is the initial basic approach to get in sunday to learn to fly crash.

[1:06:35] Of course in most places what you know can we go fishing you wanna catch a fish that's fine.
I guarantee you i can take that person in the boat and as long as i can track twenty or thirty feet of flying in front of the indicator.
And I've got some reasonable ability to react when the indicator goes down and set the hook on that fish and they're out to control it. Once they got it, they'll catch fish.
And oftentimes, you know, can take absolute beginners out there and you're going to catch fish.
Fortunately for our sale in the white river, there's a fair, large number of stock trout, which make life a little easier.
That's nothing to be the case on, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's not going to be the case on the river that say, you know, even a little more difficult for an experienced angler.
I'm not saying that they might not catch one or two fish because it's always stupid fish in the river anyway.
But certainly, you know, if you have got a waterway that, you know, has got, you know, stock trout in it, life's going to be a little easier for them.
But that's okay, you know, because they've gone through the process of learning the simple basic cast and a basic method of fishing that allowed them to catch fish.
And ultimately that may well be something that they wish to pursue for the rest of their life.

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